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Siemens SC-44 Sprinter on head end. Now on I-5.

Siemens SC-44.png

 

Had P42DC 181 on rear.

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The curve as viewed southbound:

https://goo.gl/maps/3HAd2fzFbxx

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Talgo tilting trainset.

The Tombstone sign. (T is for Talgo)

Last "reported" WiFi speed from Cascades web site is 81 mph.

tombstone.png

Some of the carnage:

carnage.png

 



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The State web cam:
images.wsdot.wa.gov/orflow/005vc11705.jpg

005vc11705.jpg

Better view that they discontinued while triage was going on:

images.wsdot.wa.gov/orflow/005vc11616.jpg

005vc11616.jpg



-- Edited by Snippy on Monday 18th of December 2017 12:00:37 PM

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Pictures at a Seattle site: http://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/Amtrak-train-derails-near-Olympia-shuts-down-I-5-12438750.php



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Komo has had a pretty good coverage on it ..

http://komonews.com



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Sounds like they'll blame the engineer. Again.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/lakewood-mayor-point-defiance-bypass/index.html

 



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As of 11:30PM PST Tuesday all the crumpled-up Talgo cars removed from I-5 overpass and
all the "wreck" to be taken to a hanger at Joint Base Lewis-Mchord very nearby and re-assembled
like an airplane crash. The locomotive sitting on I-5 is the last obstacle that will take some doing
in order to get I-5 SB traffic going under this overpass. WASDOT already said I-5 SB closed for
Wednesday commute for sure. Backups of 14 miles reported all day around the lengthy detours.
MIR hell if you had to drive this the last couple days. Other news was the engineer was training
a new conductor/engineer/somebody on this first run of AMTK 501. A trainee during MIR could
be a huge distraction for an engineer making GPNW History with the first run up the new multi-
million dollar state of the art commuter line to shave 10 minutes off the Seattle to Portland run.
Need to mention its still dark at 7:30AM. Another thing that came out of the NSTB last press
conference was that the engineer never applied the brakes but the brakes did activate which is
a little strange. Maybe that new locomotive had some issues. So who activated the brakes if
it wasn't the engineer. Losing air would cause the brakes to work but is it considered "an
application of braking". This thing happened during MIR so many possibilities. I don't know
this for sure but I think the engineer and the trainee were taken to a hospital. NSTB to be
interviewing the crew real soon. The locomotive inward/outward cameras got damaged but
they think they retrieve those last few minutes.

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  • The IFC will reveal who was actually in the seat.
  • They went into the curve at speed in the dark because they didn't know where they were.
  • The brakes were applied by the derailment itself. Either by the separation, or more likely, by the sudden corrugation of riding on the ties by the weighted pendulum device (or the newer version) in the cars or at their trucks.


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Two of the fatalities are now identified as rail enthusiasts.

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Snippy wrote:

Two of the fatalities are now identified as rail enthusiasts.


Is this the part where we're supposed to say, "They died doing what they loved"?

Which I always think is a stupid thing to say.

 



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Cy Valley wrote:
Snippy wrote:

Two of the fatalities are now identified as rail enthusiasts.


Is this the part where we're supposed to say, "They died doing what they loved"?

Which I always think is a stupid thing to say.

 


They probably were wondering why the train wasnt slowing for the curve...............................



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Cy Valley wrote:

Is this the part where we're supposed to say, "They died doing what they loved"? 


 You're late to that party.

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Cy Valley wrote:
 

Which I always think is a stupid thing to say.

 


Thoughts and prayers, *cy*.



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So to have some sort of trailer/rig capable of hauling a 270K locomotive available
when the time came to remove it from the middle of I-5 took some some doing as
the nearest one was in Oregon. So that monstrosity made the trip up from Oregon
the day before and was ready for its load...a really bent-up AMTK locomotive. Its
hard to describe this "Low-Boy" of all "Low-Boys" with the rear section powered
much like a DPU. Extra long and has 112 tires. Took some research to even find such
a trailer I bet. So once the bent-up AMTK locomotive off I-5 and some clean-up WADOT
opened up 2-lanes of SB I-5 past the "scene" at 5PM Wednesday. At 9PM all 3-lanes were open for
traffic as in 4hrs they repaired the freeway guardrails that the locomotive ran through.
I feel better that they got SB I-5 going again as I-5 was one of victims of the crash too.
Unbelievable traffic jams getting around this closure of SB I-5...unbelievable I say.
Not much new to report about the derailment except there are still 27 people in local
hospitals with injuries. NTSB "Go-Team" already back in DC. Still lots more investigating
to do by the others. "PTC" is for sure the new buzzword that the media has picked-up on
to prevent accidents such as this one. This would have been a good test of PTC to see if
"it worked". The BNSF is using PTC on all routes out of Everett and sure most of the ML's
of WA State. This new commuter/passenger line where the derailment happened was/is
in the process of installing it and would be functioning in weeks/months. Normally if you
dint have train derail at 80mph onto I-5 the first day it could all work out. Besides MIR
I need to add the celestial influences of Sun conjunct Saturn to the "results".



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So the latest isn't much other than the "new line" will not operate any more
AMTK trains until PTC is installed which is a good thing. PTC was already being
installed on the new line so maybe a month before the line gets a second crack at it.
Time to forget if you can. The 10PM news also mentioned the route along the shores
of Puget Sound south from Tacoma which all AMTK/Sounder passenger travel does
not have PTC installed. Think the July 2017 AMTK derailment at West Tacoma drawbridge
PTC could have prevented. So BNSF does not have PTC installed on as much track in WA ST
as I thought. Seems a technology that's hard to argue with especially on AMTK routes.
Not sure how many Talgo sets of pasenger cars are in the USA but the "Cascades" needs
a new set because one got destroyed and a new locomotive. The AMTK 501 trains since
Monday have been canceled because the train cars/equipment for that train has been
destroyed. This train sposed to go to Eugene OR and back. The Cascades likely to be anything
passenger cars for a while.


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Do any of you hog types s'pose flying a triple 7 Boeing is like running a passenger train? Nah. But this guy's explanation covers it. In detail.

Okay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8PEG0hcbQ



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