mntman headed up I-5 bound for the area south of Seattle for a holiday visit with relatives of his, and the missus. Alternate routes are scarce, or practically non-existent. Flying IS an option, but on Kersmuss? Most flights are probably booked up anyway!
Surely we'll have a report on conditions on the southbound side of I-5, where 501's leader came to rest.
mntman said
11:49 PM, 12/24/17
Things were fine going North.. Looked like they were still cleaning up the site..
Had a pretty good slow down going North account everyone had to rubber neck
at it.. Guard rails on that side of the bridge are mostly gone.. Looked like there
was a signal just east of the curve, thats probably what prompted the brake
application.. Will see if we notice anything else when heading back South..
That massive trailer was stationed in Oregon before the derailment and had
to navigate up I-5 causing traffic issues all the way all part of the MIR travel
experience. Then when the damaged AMTK locomotive did get loaded onto the
massive/mega trailer it was to cause some serious traffic problems going from
A to B. Good thing a locomotive sitting in the middle of I-5 doesn't happen very often.
Don't read the remarks unless you've no worries that your head might explode. Morons on display.
The Krink said
1:45 AM, 01/01/18
Latest news on the Dupont WA AMTK derailment. All these test runs made during MIR
which "wont show-up" in the final NTSB report. In this article mentions AMTK making
practice/training runs with 6 engineers in the cab at once for a "crammed-course" in
learning this new route.
Reminds me of our longtime RFE, who would load up a whole bunch of guys trying to qualify them on the "Radio" grain trains, with the "Biscuit" car and power in the middle, 50 loads of grain, power and "Biscuit", and another 50 loads.
That didn't last long on our side, either.
Calvin said
11:17 AM, 01/01/18
Cy Valley wrote:
Don't read the remarks unless you've no worries that your head might explode. Morons on display.
Read enuff of those comments and you forget they were about Amtrak.
-- Edited by Calvin on Monday 1st of January 2018 11:18:30 AM
The Krink said
1:54 AM, 01/04/18
It gets even more MIR as the engineer of AMTK 501 feeling not to sure of himself on
a new route gets the conductor to run the train while he watched. What a can of worms
this derailment will turn out to be.
It gets even more MIR as the engineer of AMTK 501 feeling not to sure of himself on a new route gets the conductor to run the train while he watched. What a can of worms this derailment will turn out to be.
Federal law sez you have to be a certified, qualified Engineer to sit yer ass in the seat of honor.
In the old days anybody, even a grip or a properly contoured penny could run the train whilst the Hawg
took a piss or got a cold one. No more.
Calvin said
4:30 PM, 01/25/18
Engineer says he misjudged train location in fatal wreck
SEATTLE An engineer told investigators he misjudged the location of an Amtrak train before it derailed in Washington state on a new high-speed route while traveling at nearly 80 mph more than twice the speed limit around a curve, the National Transportation Safety Board disclosed Thursday. In an NTSB summary of interviews with the engineer and conductor on duty during the deadly crash, the engineer said he knew the curve with a 30 mph speed restriction was at milepost 19.8 and he planned to start braking about a mile before reaching it. But he said he didnt see a marker at milepost 18 or a nearby 30 mph speed warning sign. The engineer said he then misinterpreted another signal at the 19.8 milepost. He said he applied the brake as soon as he saw a 30 mph sign at the start of the curve, but the train derailed seconds later as it entered the 30 mph zone and plunged off an overpass and onto busy Interstate 5 the Pacific Northwests main north-south highway. NTSB board member Bella Dinh-Zarr said days after the wreck that the locomotives emergency brake went off automatically and was not manually activated by the engineer.
The summary says the engineer was qualified to operate the train on that new stretch of track and had completed at least seven observational trips and three trips during which he operated the train in the five weeks before the derailment. ADVERTISEMENT
The fatal trip marked the second time the engineer had officially operated it going southbound on the route. The summary involved interviews with the engineer and conductor, which took place about a month after they suffered serious injuries in the wreck. Three people were killed and dozens of others were hurt Dec. 18 on the route from Tacoma to Portland, Oregon. The train was carrying 85 passengers and crew members as it made its inaugural run along the fast, new 15-mile (24-kilometer) bypass route. The summary said the engineer and conductor were in the lead locomotive as the conductor underwent training and familiarized himself with the new route. Both said they felt well-rested. The engineer said he didnt feel distracted by the conductor being in the locomotive. Neither man has been identified by NTSB. However, the summary says the engineer was a 55-year-old man hired by Amtrak in 2004 as a conductor before being promoted to locomotive engineer in 2013. The conductor, a 48-year-old man, said the ride marked the first time the two men had worked together and there was minimal conversation between them.
He said he looked up from his paperwork after hearing the engineer mumble out loud, just before the derailment, then sensed the train was going airborne. The conductor was hired by Amtrak as an assistant conductor in 2010 and was promoted to conductor the following year. He said he attended a job briefing with the engineer, going over general track bulletins and other items at the start of the shift.
Garrick Freeman was identified as the conductor after filing a lawsuit against Amtrak, claiming the company failed to provide a safe work environment. He said he suffered multiple broken ribs, a fractured clavicle and serious internal injuries during the derailment. Must Reads newsletter 5 stories you can't afford to miss, every Saturday.
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NTSB said it will continue the investigation by comparing the crewmember accounts with information gained from videos and a data recorder, and will consider human performance and operations, as well as signals and train control, and track, engineering and mechanical factors. The investigation could take up to two years.
-- Edited by Calvin on Thursday 25th of January 2018 04:31:46 PM
Uke said
6:19 PM, 01/25/18
Can't access that lynk Cal. Ya hafta be a subscriber to the Washington (DC) Post in order ta read the 'rest of the story'. Which leaves yers truly out. Mebbe there's another way to open the article, and read it on line
Cy Valley said
6:36 PM, 01/25/18
I think it's all there.
Snippy said
6:38 PM, 01/25/18
I told you how Tu do it. Go Tu the Opera. I aint telling you again.
Besides real Patriots (not the Cheatriots style) pay for journalism. Democracy Dies in Darkness.
mntman headed up I-5 bound for the area south of Seattle for a holiday visit with relatives of his, and the missus. Alternate routes are scarce, or practically non-existent. Flying IS an option, but on Kersmuss? Most flights are probably booked up anyway!
Surely we'll have a report on conditions on the southbound side of I-5, where 501's leader came to rest.
Things were fine going North.. Looked like they were still cleaning up the site..
Had a pretty good slow down going North account everyone had to rubber neck
at it.. Guard rails on that side of the bridge are mostly gone.. Looked like there
was a signal just east of the curve, thats probably what prompted the brake
application.. Will see if we notice anything else when heading back South..
Whoa Nelly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM77QLL1A4U
to navigate up I-5 causing traffic issues all the way all part of the MIR travel
experience. Then when the damaged AMTK locomotive did get loaded onto the
massive/mega trailer it was to cause some serious traffic problems going from
A to B. Good thing a locomotive sitting in the middle of I-5 doesn't happen very often.
http://thehill.com/opinion/technology/366833-the-more-we-learn-about-amtrak-derailment-the-stranger-it-gets
which "wont show-up" in the final NTSB report. In this article mentions AMTK making
practice/training runs with 6 engineers in the cab at once for a "crammed-course" in
learning this new route.
thehill.com/opinion/technology/366833-the-more-we-learn-about-amtrak-derailment-the-stranger-it-gets
That didn't last long on our side, either.
Read enuff of those comments and you forget they were about Amtrak.
-- Edited by Calvin on Monday 1st of January 2018 11:18:30 AM
a new route gets the conductor to run the train while he watched. What a can of worms
this derailment will turn out to be.
komonews.com/news/local/conductor-injured-in-deadly-amtrak-train-crash-sues
Federal law sez you have to be a certified, qualified Engineer to sit yer ass in the seat of honor.
In the old days anybody, even a grip or a properly contoured penny could run the train whilst the Hawg
took a piss or got a cold one. No more.
Engineer says he misjudged train location in fatal wreck
SEATTLE An engineer told investigators he misjudged the location of an Amtrak train before it derailed in Washington state on a new high-speed route while traveling at nearly 80 mph more than twice the speed limit around a curve, the National Transportation Safety Board disclosed Thursday.
In an NTSB summary of interviews with the engineer and conductor on duty during the deadly crash, the engineer said he knew the curve with a 30 mph speed restriction was at milepost 19.8 and he planned to start braking about a mile before reaching it.
But he said he didnt see a marker at milepost 18 or a nearby 30 mph speed warning sign. The engineer said he then misinterpreted another signal at the 19.8 milepost.
He said he applied the brake as soon as he saw a 30 mph sign at the start of the curve, but the train derailed seconds later as it entered the 30 mph zone and plunged off an overpass and onto busy Interstate 5 the Pacific Northwests main north-south highway.
NTSB board member Bella Dinh-Zarr said days after the wreck that the locomotives emergency brake went off automatically and was not manually activated by the engineer.
The summary says the engineer was qualified to operate the train on that new stretch of track and had completed at least seven observational trips and three trips during which he operated the train in the five weeks before the derailment.
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The fatal trip marked the second time the engineer had officially operated it going southbound on the route.
The summary involved interviews with the engineer and conductor, which took place about a month after they suffered serious injuries in the wreck.
Three people were killed and dozens of others were hurt Dec. 18 on the route from Tacoma to Portland, Oregon. The train was carrying 85 passengers and crew members as it made its inaugural run along the fast, new 15-mile (24-kilometer) bypass route.
The summary said the engineer and conductor were in the lead locomotive as the conductor underwent training and familiarized himself with the new route. Both said they felt well-rested. The engineer said he didnt feel distracted by the conductor being in the locomotive.
Neither man has been identified by NTSB. However, the summary says the engineer was a 55-year-old man hired by Amtrak in 2004 as a conductor before being promoted to locomotive engineer in 2013.
The conductor, a 48-year-old man, said the ride marked the first time the two men had worked together and there was minimal conversation between them.
He said he looked up from his paperwork after hearing the engineer mumble out loud, just before the derailment, then sensed the train was going airborne.
The conductor was hired by Amtrak as an assistant conductor in 2010 and was promoted to conductor the following year. He said he attended a job briefing with the engineer, going over general track bulletins and other items at the start of the shift.
Garrick Freeman was identified as the conductor after filing a lawsuit against Amtrak, claiming the company failed to provide a safe work environment. He said he suffered multiple broken ribs, a fractured clavicle and serious internal injuries during the derailment.
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NTSB said it will continue the investigation by comparing the crewmember accounts with information gained from videos and a data recorder, and will consider human performance and operations, as well as signals and train control, and track, engineering and mechanical factors.
The investigation could take up to two years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/engineer-says-he-misjudged-train-location-in-fatal-wreck/2018/01/25/aa3fc26a-0202-11e8-86b9-8908743c79dd_story.html?utm_term=.a483b9212c99
-- Edited by Calvin on Thursday 25th of January 2018 04:31:46 PM
Besides real Patriots (not the Cheatriots style) pay for journalism. Democracy Dies in Darkness.