phlone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just happened upon this event late in the day. > An employee said train headed into the yard when > it was supposed to be lined "main-to-main" at the > control point implying a false clear. Supposedly > some work done on the control point during the > previous night. I have no idea if what I was > told is true, but this story does seem to fit the > facts.
Train did not pick the switch, switch was lined to the yard.
A big question which will be asked by investigators: This is ITCS territory and that system should have prevented this wreck. The involved unit, AMTK 31, does have a history of ITCS failures and operation with the system shut down and seals broken on the control box. As always, a major rules violation at CP190 is being speculated about but that is without any official confirmation.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/12 07:17 by GenePoon.
-- Edited by Calvin on Monday 22nd of October 2012 10:18:54 AM
Snippy said
10:13 AM, 10/22/12
Calvin wrote:
Anyway, supposedly, the culprit was a switch lined into the yard instead of main to main.
Shades of Graniteville!!
Cab signals cut out..... uh, oh.
-- Edited by Snippy on Monday 22nd of October 2012 10:15:18 AM
Cy Valley said
3:06 PM, 10/22/12
About a dozen hurt in Michigan train derailment
Updated: Monday, 22 Oct 2012, 10:00 AM EDT Published : Sunday, 21 Oct 2012, 1:54 PM EDT
NILES, Mich. (AP) -- About a dozen passengers and crew on an Amtrak train from Chicago to Pontiac, north of Detroit, were injured Sunday when two of its locomotives and one or more coaches derailed.
None of the injuries from the incident near Niles in southwest Michigan were considered serious or life-threatening, said Amtrak spokesman Marc Magliari. The injured were taken to area hospitals.
Amtrak train 350, the Wolverine Service, was carrying approximately 174 passengers and four crew members when it lost "contact with the track" about two miles east of Niles, Magliari told The Associated Press.
"The train remained upright and in-line," he added.
Police in Niles said the scene was being cleared about 12:30 p.m.
The cause of the derailment, just north of the Indiana state line and about 80 miles southwest of Grand Rapids, was under investigation. Amtrak service in West Michigan was disrupted.
Magliari said alternate transportation was being arranged for passengers on the derailed train and on other Amtrak trains until the tracks could be re-opened.
Thunderwagon5000 said
3:19 PM, 10/22/12
Which carrier's track was it ?
Uke said
3:24 PM, 10/22/12
Who owns the track Cy? Is it a dedicated Amtrak ROW, or freight/commuterr?
Snippy said
3:30 PM, 10/22/12
Sounds like the line LAMCO scabbed out to Grand Elk or some fucking thing like that.
Calvin said
4:42 PM, 10/22/12
Looks like the engine just stopped short of hitting that ballast hopper.
Snippy said
5:04 PM, 10/22/12
Calvin wrote:
Looks like the engine just stopped short of hitting that ballast hopper.
Damn if that don't look suspiciously like an "open switch" incident. Surely that couldn't happen on an Amtrak owned R-O-W?
Gotta be signalled. Eh?
Snippy said
5:16 PM, 10/22/12
Gene "Tam" Poon is a labor hating nutjob.
Calvin said
5:21 PM, 10/22/12
Thanks Snippy!
Here is a "real" siren....nuttin beats a Federal "Q"
Snippy said
5:25 PM, 10/22/12
Yeah, the first fucker had a no embedding, so Snippy had to call a quick audible and go with Andy of Mayberry.
Pipes FC said
5:25 PM, 10/22/12
Have they ruled out cell phones yet?
Calvin said
5:28 PM, 10/22/12
Snippy wrote:
Yeah, the first fucker had a no embedding, so Snippy had to call a quick audible and go with Andy of Mayberry.
I noticed that...I was gonna throw a *Cy* out.....I gave ya a break...
It's the part of the line that Amtrak owns outright.
http://tinyurl.com/8qfc2qs
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8854831
-- Edited by Cy Valley on Monday 22nd of October 2012 08:31:13 AM
IMHO the cause was likely a defiant individualist employee not saying their "overs" and "outs".
Meanwhile alleged the cause will remain the same as 100% always do until the focus is elsewhere...
" Yet to be determined".
-- Edited by Thunderwagon5000 on Monday 22nd of October 2012 09:23:49 AM
More info over at the Drainodorsite. Passenger section.
Somethin about trouble with the equipment on the engine involved, and broken
seals and being cut out. major rule violations.
Couldnt find my siren to post the odorous link.
Anyway, supposedly, the culprit was a switch lined into the yard instead of main to main.
Shades of Graniteville!!
Date: 10/22/12 01:04
Re: Amtrak 350 (Wolverine) has derailed
Author: GenePoon
-------------------------------------------------------
> I just happened upon this event late in the day.
> An employee said train headed into the yard when
> it was supposed to be lined "main-to-main" at the
> control point implying a false clear. Supposedly
> some work done on the control point during the
> previous night. I have no idea if what I was
> told is true, but this story does seem to fit the
> facts.
Train did not pick the switch, switch was lined to the yard.
A big question which will be asked by investigators: This is ITCS territory and that system should
have prevented this wreck. The involved unit, AMTK 31, does have a history of ITCS failures and
operation with the system shut down and seals broken on the control box. As always, a major rules
violation at CP190 is being speculated about but that is without any official confirmation.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/12 07:17 by GenePoon.
-- Edited by Calvin on Monday 22nd of October 2012 10:18:54 AM
Cab signals cut out..... uh, oh.
-- Edited by Snippy on Monday 22nd of October 2012 10:15:18 AM
About a dozen hurt in Michigan train derailment
Updated: Monday, 22 Oct 2012, 10:00 AM EDT
Published : Sunday, 21 Oct 2012, 1:54 PM EDT
NILES, Mich. (AP) -- About a dozen passengers and crew on an Amtrak train from Chicago to Pontiac, north of Detroit, were injured Sunday when two of its locomotives and one or more coaches derailed.
None of the injuries from the incident near Niles in southwest Michigan were considered serious or life-threatening, said Amtrak spokesman Marc Magliari. The injured were taken to area hospitals.
Amtrak train 350, the Wolverine Service, was carrying approximately 174 passengers and four crew members when it lost "contact with the track" about two miles east of Niles, Magliari told The Associated Press.
"The train remained upright and in-line," he added.
Police in Niles said the scene was being cleared about 12:30 p.m.
The cause of the derailment, just north of the Indiana state line and about 80 miles southwest of Grand Rapids, was under investigation. Amtrak service in West Michigan was disrupted.
Magliari said alternate transportation was being arranged for passengers on the derailed train and on other Amtrak trains until the tracks could be re-opened.
Which carrier's track was it ?
Looks like the engine just stopped short of hitting that ballast hopper.
Damn if that don't look suspiciously like an "open switch" incident. Surely that couldn't happen on an Amtrak owned R-O-W?
Gotta be signalled. Eh?
Thanks Snippy!
Here is a "real" siren....nuttin beats a Federal "Q"
I noticed that...I was gonna throw a *Cy* out.....I gave ya a break...