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Amtrak, Freight Trains Collide in Ill.

Friday, November 30, 2007 3:27 PM EST
The Associated Press
By DEANNA BELLANDI Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO (AP) An Amtrak train plowed into the back of a freight train Friday, critically injuring five people as its engine car hurtled to a stop atop a crushed boxcar.

The Amtrak's three double-decker passenger cars remained upright, and most of the 187 passengers walked away unhurt or with minor injuries. Nine people were reported in serious condition and another 30 were treated for bumps and bruises, though Fire Commissioner Raymond Orozco expected that number to rise to about 50.

It was unclear how many of the six Amtrak workers aboard were hurt, but damage to the train was concentrated on its engine, where some of workers were. Four people had to be extricated from front of the train, Orozco said.

No one was in the portion of the Norfolk Southern freight train that was struck, and neither of the of two workers on that train were hurt.

Amtrak passengers, many of them carrying winter coats and luggage, streamed off the train on the city's South Side with the help of rescue workers. Some held the hands of small children; others were taken away on stretchers and backboards.

Coert Vanderhill, 60, of Holland, Mich., said the train was approaching the station at about 15 to 20 mph when the engine "just ran right up the tail end" of the freight train.

"Everybody just hit the seat in front of them," he said.

Vanderhill, who had come to Chicago to visit his children, had a small cut on his nose and said most passengers, like him, were the "walking wounded."

Twenty ambulances and a fire-suppression unit were at the scene tending to passengers, officials said.

The Amtrak's three double-decker passenger cars remained upright, officials said.

The train was en route from Grand Rapids, Mich., to Chicago, Amtrak spokesman Derrick James said. The freight train was en route from Elizabeth, N.J., to Chicago, according to Norfolk Southern spokesman Rudy Husband.

Husband said he had no details about what caused the accident or what the freight train was carrying.

James said it remains unclear which train was in the wrong place. He said the train shares the track with Norfolk Southern, which owns it. He also said he did not know if the freight train was moving or stationary when it was struck.

James said Amtrak is awaiting information from an event recorder, a device similar to the black boxes on commercial jets. The National Transportation Safety Board was sending investigators.

James said of particular interest is what the signals were before the Amtrak train got to the area where the collision occurred.

Interim Chicago police Superintendent Dana Starks said the accident was recorded by a camera on a nearby post and the footage would be turned over to investigators.



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I just read about it.

An Amtrak train and a freight train collided in Illinois Friday. Serious injuries were reported.
An Amtrak train and a freight train collided in Illinois Friday. Serious injuries were reported.

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Date: November 30, 2007 10:42
Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: SantaFeRuss

CNN.com has good coverage. Canaryville neghborhood on the southside of Chicago. Amtrak train #371 from Grand Rapids , MI ran into the back of a doublestack train. Amtrak crew in critical condition. Passengers are o.k. with minor cuts and bruises. Amtrak P42-9 rode atop the last car of the freight. The P42 does not look to good. The locomotive is the only one that derailed. 3 Superliners stayed on the track. I think it is CSX track.

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Date: November 30, 2007 10:59
Re: Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: GenePoon

*Preliminary* information is that Amtrak 371(30) was authorized to operate at Restricted Speed when the collision occurred.

Restricted Speed is defined as slow enough to enable the train to stop in half the visible range of a red signal, another train, wrongly thrown switch or other obstruction, but no greater than 20mph.

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Date: November 30, 2007 11:07
Re: Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: BothanSpy

GenePoon Wrote:
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> Restricted Speed is defined as slow enough to
> enable the train to stop in half the visible range
> of a red signal, another train, wrongly thrown
> switch or other obstruction, but no greater than
> 20mph.

15MPH on some railroads, however I think CSX is still 20MPH for restricted speed.

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Date: November 30, 2007 11:17
Re: Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: csxt4617

If it happened on the south side of Chicago, it would be NS. They
leave CSX rails at Porter IN.



Date: November 30, 2007 11:22
Re: Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: mully

Some wonderful passenger who CNN talked to stated he knew the cause was because of bad weather in Grand Rapids which caused the train to be late 35 minutes is what caused the accident.....He stated he was "sure of it."

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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/freight.train.amtrak.2.599603.html



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>>>Amtrak train #371 from Grand Rapids , MI ran into the back of a doublestack train.

Sho' you right, motherfucker!

That's NS 23M a premium intermodal. Look at all those double stacks!



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One of those monster stacks out of North Jersey.

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Date: November 30, 2007 14:05
Re: Amtrak wreck in Chicago
Author: wabash2800

Historically, many, many train wrecks were caused by engine crews attempting to make up time or "hot-rodding" it.

Though it appears the train was running too fast for the conditions, we don't know that yet.


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> minutes caused a train to hit another.
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Looks like the Amtrak was going to fast to stop.

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engine car hurtled to a stop

Alright, I have to ask. WTF is an "engine car" and how does it hurtle to a stop? Forgive my stupid question, I have only been an engineer for 18 years, some of it even on the internet.

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BlackDog wrote:

I have only been an engineer for 18 years




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You meanie pants!!! *sniff* Now you made me cry!!!

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I'm so stupid! "Engine car" is part of "Auto-train"! I guess I'm not so dumb after all, and if I were to invest "just pennies a day" I could become even smarter and figure out how to drive the Accela down Cajon Pass into Seattle without derailing it on the Mississippi river bridge. I'm sorry guys.

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BlackDog wrote:

I could become even smarter and figure out how to drive the Accela down Cajon Pass



Cajon Pass?....isn't that the next station the Acela stops at after Newark Penn Station?

If you want a challenge....try the Princeton Dinky down the Tennessee Pass with wet leaves on the rail.



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