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 Death toll confirmed at 3 today and dozens are said to be missing. A very ugly mess and not knowing details of their prescribed procedures when securing that train, there is no evidence to blame that engineer. Yet.  Either way, his life is hell, now. At the big carriers, a push/pull test is required which requires a a second man on the ground observing that the brakes are holding. Don't know how they get away without that and I was surprised to hear of one man crews handling that kind of cargo. It's now become a political jousting point, too. Deregulation has been suggested as a possible contributing factor.

 The political jousting started a little while ago, with CP's 3 derailments in Alberta and Saskatchewan, the CPR bridge derailment in Calgary and the TSB's report on the VIA crash where they pointed the finger at Transport Canada lack of action on previous reports and findings due to lobbying on behalf of the big roads. The funny thing is that in 2007 a review was done with huge changes recommended but nothing to my knowledge has been implemented.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/railsafety/TRANSPORT_Stronger_Ties_Report_FINAL_e.pdf

 

 



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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/08/19354278-derailed-canadian-train-was-tampered-with-railways-chief-alleges?lite



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Three days of this story and we haven't even touched on the failure of the Friendly Feddies on both sides of the border? And their failure to make these bastards install ECP braking? Their failure to acknowledge the inadequacy of quick release brakes? Tying trains down on main tracks? Failure to make standard high capacity hand brakes on new unit train sets?

This shit kills people. It took dead innocents to make this industry install two-way telemetry on end-of-train devices. Oh, phukk, don't get Snippy started on these thieving murderers.

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Sitting here thinking, why such a train with hazardous cargo would be left alone........ As far as I can tell on the CSX, ours never stop moving.... A homeland security issue.... All the cars except one rolled away?????

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Interesting all the "Official Guide of the Railways" issues
I have list the town in Quebec as "Megantic" and not "Lac
Megantic". The ex-CP mainline from Montreal to St John
and Halifax passes through "Lac Megantic" on the highway
map. This 10 year old spin-off from the CP is now known
as the "Montreal, Maine & Atlantic" railroad. A disaster from
hell or a hellish disaster seems to both apply. I'm very
interested in how this one turns out. What if it's kids
messing around with a sitting train that caused this whole
thing or maybe a locomotive that can be proven to have
failed caused it. Its just one of those MIR stories that are
endless in possibilities.

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The Krink wrote:

What if it's kids
messing around with a sitting train that caused this whole
thing or maybe a locomotive that can be proven to have
failed caused it.

 It ain't kids.

It's a practice of leaving trains on the mainline with the power NOT shutdown and maintaining trainline so they don't have to do a Class I brake test (like that's ever happened anyway). They tie them down without regard to grade, location, etc. It's a practice of building hundreds of unit train sets without the best technology. It's a practice of severely reduced personnel assigned a bewildering array of tasks and rules and the complacency of management in knowing they aren't being followed because it's an impossible assignment. There is no reason that these trainsets can't be built with automatic electro-pneumatic parking brakes on them.

The power shuts itself down, the trainline equalizes at a lower pressure. The power restarts and builds up main reservoir pressure. The trainline restores to where it was being maintained. The quick release brakes dump their reservoirs into the train line and off she goes. Hell, in the 70's on Team Green we had to leave the leading angle cock open on the head end. 

This disaster is inexcusable and it is the result of all those times that we have said it. It's true. This is an industry that survives on good fortune. Every 25  or 30 years, they end up having a "Sturgeon" day.



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http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/the-long-chain-of-responsibility-behind-an-oily-and-deadly-train-wreck/



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Snippy wrote:
 

 It's a practice of severely reduced personnel assigned a bewildering array of tasks and rules and the complacency of management in knowing they aren't being followed because it's an impossible assignment. 

 

 

 This is the best statment of modern railroading that I have read by ANYONE in my short career on the railroad. The finger is always being pointed at "the men" instead of "the man". Granted  there are situations where the men are the responsible party but 8 times out of 10 its the mans fault, and he aint standing there or is hiding behind the "movement of commerce"



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The Bastages KNOW...When they set forth instructions in fuel saving rules to NOT shutdown a air start SD70ACe.



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Here's the lastest I got. To make this even more MIR, one
of the locomotives experienced a fire before it passed thru
Megantic in a near town that the fire dept had to be called
to put it out. Then the train proceeded to the location of
where it was it was tied-down...for a time. I'm really curious
about this locomotive fire. Most times when a locomotive
catches fire it rarely can still go on. Not sure what the power
lash-up on this train was but with 73 cars of crude is a 10,000
ton train and you need altleast that much HP. Lots more to
find out.

Quebec oil train derailment sparks criminal probe

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130710/CN--Canada-Oil.Train.Derailment/

 

Stories from Lac-Mégantic

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/ID/2396064758/



-- Edited by The Krink on Wednesday 10th of July 2013 12:57:56 AM



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OK...I'm piecing together the motive power used on the trains
thru Megantic and it looks to be all re-cycled GE C30-7's,
C39-8's, SD40-2's. So an old GE unit catching fire has
been heard of before.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3506489

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3506515



-- Edited by The Krink on Wednesday 10th of July 2013 01:31:14 AM



-- Edited by The Krink on Wednesday 10th of July 2013 01:33:59 AM

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(LAC-MEGANTIC, Quebec) The president and CEO of the railways parent company says an employee failed to properly set the brakes of the train that crashed into a town in Quebec, killing at least 15 people.

Edward Burkhardt made the comments during a visit Wednesday to the town that was devastated by the runaway oil train four days ago.

It was questionable whether hand brakes were put I place at this time, Burkhardt said. I dont think any employees removed brakes. They failed to set the brakes.

He said a train engineer has been suspended without pay.



Read more: world.time.com/2013/07/10/rail-chief-blames-employee-in-quebec-train-crash/

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"I cant remember how many handbrakes I set"...maybe 11
or maybe 6-7. This employee really screwed-up. A lot of
responsibility comes with railroad work and all it takes is
a MIR period for it to end on a sour note. A claim-to-fame
like Conrail's Rickey Gates in a way that one railroad employee
can make a huge mistake that starts a "railroad snowball"
of events that the public has no way of understanding.

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One of my younger bosses showed up for a surprise meet and greet yesterday.

The new age of post Lac Megantic has begun.



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I heard last night that the cars ran into some propane cars, and they are the ones the blew up. Also, I heard that there was around 25 cars still attached to the engine.....

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