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Cy Valley


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Regardless of whether he has ever belonged to the UTU or not, as a trainman, he is under that contract and Delbert Strunk is the general chairman for the UTU for the NS Northern Lines. As such, they can require him to qualify on his own time. I don't know why it would take six weeks but there's a terminal not terribly far from me that has locals that go four directions and two different freight pools, all protected by one extra board and they were requiring them to qualify on all the locals and both freight pools and that would take awhile, all on their own time. I don't think it's right but that's the way it's being done and there are people working there right now that're at least 180 miles from home and more.

Would it take six weeks to qualify? How many locals are there and how varied is their work? Do any of them service the same territory, we have locals that go out and relieve other locals, if you get qualified on one, you can protect the other because its essentially doing the same work.

Again, I don't think its right but it doesn't really matter what I think.

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DQ, the typing is not mine but this is essentially the UTU agreement on the Northern Lines.
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trainmen
1.the provisions of the 1996 tional agreement and nkp article 4 provided for exercise of seniority within 48 hours of notification of displacement. if a member chooses to displace beyond 30 highway miles of the current reporting point, they are required to notify the appropriate crew office within the 48 hour limit and are given an additional 72 hours to exercise their seniority. once such notification is given the member must fulfill this intent of displacemnt beyond the 30 miles unless he/she is unable to hold the assignment (nkp articl 4).

2. member electing to displace outside their home terminal whodesire to be recalled to the point from which cut off must provide a written request notifying the carrier of their desire to be recalled at that point. the letter should be addressed to the appropreate chief crew caller with copies to the division supt, their local chairperson, and one for their own personal record. certified mail is suggested.

3. members who do not elect to displace beyond the 30 mile radius of their current reporting location and do not stand for a position at their home terminal will not again be permitted to do so for a period of 90 days unless recalled to the point from which they were reduced. (nkp article 7) prior rights not withstanding, members governed by the nkp agreement may exercise their seniority over all territory governed by the nkp agreement. territories goverd by the wabash agreement dictate the seniority locations.

4.importan reminders. trainmen hired subsequent to june 1, 1999 who fall under the nkp-utu lake region hub /zone network are entitled to training and qualification throughout the zone where thy were originally hired and trained. if your member was not afforded training/qualification at antother location within that zone regardless of miles from the curren reporting point, the carrier must pay that employee to qualify if he/she elects to displace outside the 30 mile limit. if the employee had previously trained and qualified ofver all the territory in the zone and voluntarily elected to allow his/her qualifications to expire then requalifying would be at their own time and expense. (members currently exercising senirioty outside their zone are not being paid to qualify)

5. members who are unable to or unwilling to relocate must be reminded that the 1985 national agreement article xii abd nkp article 4 section 8 dysyrd that employees with less than 3 years of seniority who are furloughed for 365 consecutive days will be terminated. this is real incentive to consider a temporary move to protect your job and your family.

6. members who qualify for railroad retirement board employment benefits are encouraged to contact arrb representative. United States Railroad Retirement Board Home Page rrb help line 800-808-0772

APPENDIX A-1

NORFOLK WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY

LAKE REGION HUB NETWORK

NSR/NKP LABOR AGREEMENT PRIMARY LINE SEGMENTS
cleveland hub buffalo, toledo, conway, mingo jct,
columbus, elkhart, ashtabula, ft wayne
bellevue/sandusky, detroit

buffalo hub enola/harrisburg, binghamton, croxton and e
rail, north jersey, toledo, cleveland, renovo
keating

ft wayne hub detroit, peru, chicago, cleaveland, fostoria
crestline, conway pittsburgh, muncie
cincinatti, decatur, elkhart, grand rapids
bellevue/sandusky, toledo

ZONE LIMITS
chicago-chicago terminal, west to and including hennepin/moronts east to
including tefft. east to and including hobart. south to and including
manhattan. east to and including gary. east to and incl porter

elkhart-elkhart terminal. west to but not including porter. south to but not incl
anderson. west to and incl michigan city and south bend,not incl argos
north to but not incl kalamazoo. east to but not incl butler

ft wayne-ft wayne terminal. north to and incl montpelier. west to but not incl
hobart. south to but not including muncie. east to and incl leipsic
jct. west to but not including andrews.

detroit-detroitterminal west to and incl wayne south, to but not including
toledo. north to and incl lafayette south to but not incl montpelier

jackson-east to but not including wayne. west to and including kalamazoo.
north to and including grand rapids. north to and including lansing.

muncie-muncie terminal. east to and including hales. west to but not incl
lafayette. south to but not including cincinnati. west to and incl
anderson.

toledo-toledo terminal. south to but not incl fremont. west to but not incl
butler. east to and including oak harbor.

peru-peru terminal east to and incl andrews.west to but not incl decatu

bellevue-bellevue terminal. south to colmbus. west to but not incl leipsisic jct
north to and incl south lorain but not incl oak harbor. east to and
including south lorain. north to and incl fremont

cleveland-cleveland terminal. west to but not including lorain. east to and incl
conneaut. south to but not incl alliance

buffalo-buffalo terminal. west to but not incl conneaut. south to but not incl
harrisburg and enola east to but not including corning. erie to hornell

youngstown- youngstown/lordstown term. west to and incl crestline. north to
and incl rousevill/oil city but not incl ashtabula. south to and including powhatan. south to but not incl
conway

binghamton-binghampton terminal. west to and incl lyons and corning. east to
e-rail but not including n jersey saa.

FEB 12 1999

created conneaut zone and modified the buffalo and cleveland zone

cleveland-cleveland terminal. west but not incl lorain. east to but not incl
fairport. south to but not incl alliance

conneaut-conneaut terminal. west to and incl fairport. east to and incl erie

buffalo-buffalo terminal. west to but not incl erie. south to but not incl renovo
keating. east to but not incl corning. erie to hornell.


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Cy Valley wrote:
4.importan reminders. trainmen hired subsequent to june 1, 1999 who fall under the nkp-utu lake region hub /zone network are entitled to training and qualification throughout the zone where thy were originally hired and trained. if your member was not afforded training/qualification at antother location within that zone regardless of miles from the curren reporting point, the carrier must pay that employee to qualify if he/she elects to displace outside the 30 mile limit. if the employee had previously trained and qualified ofver all the territory in the zone and voluntarily elected to allow his/her qualifications to expire then requalifying would be at their own time and expense. (members currently exercising senirioty outside their zone are not being paid to qualify)

Am I reading this right?  So according to this her 'DH' should be getting paid to qualify?

 



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She never offered up the very helpful information that he may have been hired on a hub and spoke district and not trained on all the spokes when originally qualified.

Allowing qualifications to lapse when times are good is not exactly a new phenomenon to a railroad guy. In some places, you'd go broke trying to maintain them.

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Snippy, I sent you a message.

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Location, location, location. We had nothing to work with for DQ's inquiries so made it hard to answer vague questions. Sorry, DQ.

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