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July 18, 1863

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Nearly half of the men in the 54th Massachusetts Colored Infantry, one of the first black U.S. Army regiments, are killed or wounded in an assault on Confederate Fort Wagner in South Carolina.




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Thanks Troll. Occasaional history lessons need to be aired, lest we forget what our nation is all about.

More about the charge, and storming of Ft. Wagner.
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[edit] Comparisons with historical fact

  • The film suggests that most of the black soldiers were escaped slaves from southern secessionist states who wished to battle for the abolitionist north, but in fact the majority were born free in the North, although some did escape from slavery.
  • Of the major characters in the movie's version of the regiment, only Robert Gould Shaw was a real person. The rest are composite characters. The name of Shaw's executive officer (Cabot Forbes) is a combination of the first name from one of the real Shaw's friends and the last name of another.
The Storming of Fort Wagner (an 1890 lithograph)
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The Storming of Fort Wagner (an 1890 lithograph)
  • In the film, Shaw is offered and accepts the job to be the commanding officer of the 54th on the same day. In reality, he rejected the offer once and accepted only after many days. Shaw is also shown as promoted directly to colonel, whereas his record indicates he was a major for several months as the regiment grew in strength and was at last promoted to colonel just prior to the regiment being deployed.
  • Flogging was banned in the Union Army in 1861. Pvt. Trip would not have been whipped, at least not by someone as by-the-book as Col. Shaw.
  • The incident just before the charge into Fort Wagner in which Colonel Shaw points to the flag bearer and asks "If this man should fall, who will lift the flag and carry on?" is based on a real event. However, the person who asked the question was General George Crockett Strong; Shaw was the person who responded. When the flag bearer fell, another black soldier, Sergeant William Harvey Carney, grabbed the flag and carried it all the way to the bulwarks of Fort Wagner. He remained there under enemy fire until the 54th was forced to retreat. Sergeant Carney struggled back to Union lines with the flag, receiving four wounds from which he recovered. Carney became the first black recipient of the Medal of Honor.
  • Colonel Shaw was married, but his wife is not depicted in the film.
  • The manner in which Colonel Shaw dies in the movie is based on fact. His final words were "Forward Fifty-fourth" before he was shot several times in the chest.
  • The final scene of the film shows Shaw's body being thrown into the burial pit alongside his fallen soldiers. This is historically accurate. It seems to have been meant as an insult, but Shaw's father later said that he was proud that his son was buried next to his men.
  • In the movie, it is claimed that "over half" of the regiment was lost during the assault on Fort Wagner. However, official records state that the 54th sustained 272 casualties, which is closer to 40%. Of these casualties, only 116 were fatalities, just under one fifth of the men to storm the fort. If the 156 soldiers that were captured are included, it would bring the total to "over half". In formal military terms, though, "casualties" include captured soldiers.
  • In the movie, the ocean is on the left side of the regiment when they charge the fort; this was allegedly done in order to get the best quality of light at the time of filming. In reality, however, the regiment charged with the ocean on their right, coming from the south.
  • The real second in command was Lt. Colonel Edwin Hallowell. The fictional Major Cabot Forbes, played by Cary Elwes, is based on him. Although he was seriously wounded, Hallowell did survive the attack on the fort and led the regiment until it disbanded in 1865. He retired with the rank of Brigadier General.
  • In the movie, Shaw is surprised when the men refuse pay that was reduced because they are a "colored" regiment (though he eventually joins them in their refusal). In reality, the refusal was his idea, and he encouraged them to do it (in other words, "tear it up").
  • In the attack on Fort Wagner, the regiment volunteers to be the vanguard of the charge, when in fact they did not volunteer, but were commanded to lead the charge.

 



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Glory.....that movie is a great flick. One of my favs.

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Ditto.
Guys charged knowing their death was imminent. Brass ones !

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Good flick but wouldve been better if Ferris Bueler wasnt the star player....Just made it kinda lame...

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Those are some interesting facts.  Glory is one of the all time great war movies.



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F Brizy wrote:

Good flick but wouldve been better if Ferris Bueler wasnt the star player....Just made it kinda lame...



Thought he played the part well. Not our fault your stuck back in your Jr. HS days. LAMOwink

 



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F Brizy wrote:

Good flick but wouldve been better if Ferris Bueler wasnt the star player....Just made it kinda lame...



Thought he played the part well. Not our fault your stuck back in your Jr. HS days. LAMOwink



OM, sorry to tell you this but that clown was before my JS daze....

Just cant take that dude serious after bein Bueler and knowin that hes married to that horse faced bitch....



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Am I the only that thought that Mia Sarah was super in that movie. What ever happened to her?

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Wesley Pipes wrote:

Am I the only that thought that Mia Sarah was super in that movie. What ever happened to her?







Star Name:Mia Sara
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Profile: Birth Name: Mia Sarapocciello
Height: 5' 4"
Nationality: American
Birth Date: June 19, 1967
Birth Place: Brooklyn Heights, New York, USA
Profession: actress
Education: St. Ann's School in Brooklyn (graduated in1985), Barnard College
Husband/Wife: Jason Connery (actor; son of Sean Connery; born on January 11, 1963; married in March 1996; divorced in 2002)
Sister: Cassie (younger)


She fell off the face of the planet.

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Troll wrote:
She fell off the face of the planet.


Too bad she was hot, and not that fake Hollywood hot, but a real hottie.



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She did some movie with full nudity....Cant remember the name but it was a lame movie....

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Speaking of hot 80s chicks that fell off the face of the earth, whatever happened to Molly Ringwald

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It appears Mia and Molly are still working. Both are mostly doing TV.

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F Brizy wrote:

Good flick but wouldve been better if Ferris Bueler wasnt the star player....Just made it kinda lame...





That's what I thought when I first saw he was playing a lead role. I didn't think it was that bad. When Tom Hanks broke away from comedy movies and started doing serious roles I didn't think that would be cool either. He turned out alright.



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