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Globe and Mail columnist Doug Saunders. RANDY QUAN FOR THE GlOBE AND MAIL (Randy Quan/Randy Quan/THE GLOBE AND MAIL)

DOUG SAUNDERS

Doug Saunders: Canadianizing the Yanks? Not quite, but close

 

You might think that the Yanks had been hosed down with maple syrup and issued ceremonial toques. Almost overnight, majorities in the United States have shifted to acceptance of gay marriage, tolerance of legal pot (in many states) and amnesties for illegal immigrants, while voting for liberal Democrats in traditionally right-wing states. They seem to be on a crash program to mass-Canadianize themselves.

And to look at the current face of Canada where a very conservative government holds a majority, drug laws have toughened, prison populations are expanding and values surveys show a measurable shift toward self-sufficient individualism you might think that Canucks had hoisted a few tallboys of Coors and joined the Daughters of the American Revolution.

Are Canadians and Americans converging? Not quite but not far off. The two peoples remain very different in many core beliefs. But there has been a dramatic change over the past few years, one that has brought many Americans closer to the moral comfort zone north of the border. Canadians have shifted too, though less dramatically.

Thats the conclusion of a new large-scale survey, to be released Monday, that examines the beliefs, values and personal priorities of people living in Canada and the United States. Its the latest big analysis from Canadas Michael Adams (of Environics) and his U.S. counterpart Celinda Lake (of Lake Research Partners), who have been conducting detailed interviews with thousands of Americans and Canadians about their beliefs since 1992.

A decade ago, when Mr. Adams conducted his last big comparison (published as the bestseller Fire and Ice), it seemed that the two countries were moving apart.

I anticipated that America, even if it elected a Democratic president in 2008, would continue along its trajectory toward greater emphasis on duty, order, authority, and traditional social mores, he says in a forthcoming report. I anticipated that Canada, even having elected a Conservative government, would continue along its trajectory toward tolerant, exploratory postmaterialism.

He was half right. Canada has unfolded as predicted, he says, while noting that there has been a slight shift toward greater individualism and self-sufficiency. But America has surprised me, and many of its own citizens.

America, he writes, is now moving away from some of the shifts toward authority and order that characterized the first 10 years of the 21st century. The change in American thinking over the past few years has been likened by many observers to the shift after the 1960s, when equality of women and racial minorities moved from a fringe to a majority view. Something similar is happening now, and while its partly caused by the dying-off of older generations, a large part of it is simply the changing of minds. Almost 30 per cent of Americans who support same-sex marriage started out opposing it. And diversity is increasingly seen as an admirable capability, not a betrayal of ones heritage or identity group.

There remain profound differences in values, but theyre narrowing and its the Americans who are closing the gap. In 2000, half of Americans agreed with the statement, The father must be master in his own house surely an important indicator of core beliefs about equality, power and tradition. Only 18 per cent of Canadians believed the same, and the most conservative province, Alberta, still expressed less support for it than the most liberal state, Vermont. But between 2004 and 2012, the number of Americans supporting that view plummeted to four in 10, while in Canada, it remained about the same.

Canada is also divided but the divide is nowhere near even. Whereas in the United States, Mr. Adams says, the politically engaged population is fairly evenly split in Canada, the split is closer to two to one. Between 60 and 70 per cent of Canadians have consistently voted for a liberal or social-democratic party in every federal election for decades. Their core beliefs continue to reflect this, regardless who ends up in power.

Americans and Canadians are indeed growing closer in world view but were not becoming Americanized, and theyre sure not learning from us. Rather, Mr. Adams says, what seems to be happening is that some groups of Americans are moving toward some of the postmaterial values that characterize other rich, Western societies (both in Canada and in Western Europe) and eroding some of the sensibilities associated with American exceptionalism.

Now that our neighbours are no longer kings of the world, theyve started to resemble the rest of it.



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I'll believe it when I see it. Probably the prelude in a syrupy seduction.

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We're sending a contingent of paramilitaries north ta tear down that pesky border crossing at Blaine. However, they've been stuck for a month. Yep! Big traffic tie-up somewhere south of Conway... Some bullshit about a bridge closure! They just don't wanna admit the truth, Canadians/Canadiens ove us!

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Photo captions (please take notice Poster *cy*) must be bolded in title case. Prize winning posts of general content may be offered in the usual and customary manner. disbelief

It pains Lt. Snippy to see *cy* devolve into this bidder pettiness no

 

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You would think that Canada had everything going for it: British culture, French cuisine, and American technology. Instead the poor saps got American culture, French technology and British cuisine.

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You would think that Canada had everything going for it: British culture, French cuisine, and American technology. Instead the poor saps got American culture, French technology and British cuisine.


 The fair and impartial BJPC looks past bad attitudes to justly award well deserved prizes.

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You would think that Canada had everything going for it: British culture, French cuisine, and American technology. Instead the poor saps got American culture, French technology and British cuisine.


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Troll wrote:
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You would think that Canada had everything going for it: British culture, French cuisine, and American technology. Instead the poor saps got American culture, French technology and British cuisine.


 The fair and impartial BJPC looks past bad attitudes to justly award well deserved prizes.

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Cy Valley wrote:
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You would think that Canada had everything going for it: British culture, French cuisine, and American technology. Instead the poor saps got American culture, French technology and British cuisine.


 The fair and impartial BJPC looks past bad attitudes to justly award well deserved prizes.

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 What is this?  BD failed to meet Rule NUMBER ONE.  


 What does *cy* think rule #1 might be?



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The same rule that shut him out of a richly deserved prize awhile back.  Ah, I know what it was, captioning the photo of Abe sitting with some troublemaker.



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Yeah...what Snippy said.......

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Thank you for that clarification, self-appointed board adviser Snippy. Mere picking at straws but every dog has its day, as you well know. And, if any dog deserves it, it would be BD.

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